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Ship to Free XP Conversion - Punishing good Players with Elite Status?



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Nov. 3, 2017, 2:54 a.m.



Piglus#9360 posted (#post-165797)

They need to add an option to convert at a reduced rate without using GP, like 100 ship XP = 1 free XP

All my T1 and T2 are complete, and I have 2 ships with 70k xp each. It would be nice to get something out of them.

They are not going to do that. There are people who have spent a lot of GP converting XP to free XP. This is a free to play game so the Devs and publisher jave to make.money some how.

With that said I'm not a fan of the smooth of conversion. I tho k it should be 100-1 Not 40-1.


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Nov. 4, 2017, 5:58 p.m.



Brother Belial#4215 posted (#post-165800)

They are not going to do that. There are people who have spent a lot of GP converting XP to free XP. This is a free to play game so the Devs and publisher jave to make.money some how.

With that said I'm not a fan of the smooth of conversion. I tho k it should be 100-1 Not 40-1.

Free XP is basically worthless. A few games will get you the majority of research points needed and a minimal of free ones can be used to top it off, even while using a ship you don't like. I highly doubt there's a substantial amount of people using vast GP to get free XP, and I bet even less that would buy it to use for the conversion since GP is finite and the market prices make it way too precious to waste like that. I guess if you don't care about the market then you may make that GP rain but you're better off saving it for elite status.

100-1, 500-1, 1000-1 (no more than that), as long as I can get something.


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Nov. 4, 2017, 7:09 p.m.



Piglus#9360 posted (#post-165797)

They need to add an option to convert at a reduced rate without using GP, like 100 ship XP = 1 free XP

All my T1 and T2 are complete, and I have 2 ships with 70k xp each. It would be nice to get something out of them.

Completely agree. Even if it was a 10x worse conversion rate, it'd still be nice as there is absolutely zero chance I'm gonna drop the literally hundreds of dollars it would take to convert the extra XP I have stored up on my T2 ships alone while I ground out the T3 ship unlocks.


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Nov. 4, 2017, 7:27 p.m.



Piglus#9360 posted (#post-166516)

Brother Belial#4215 posted (#post-165800)

They are not going to do that. There are people who have spent a lot of GP converting XP to free XP. This is a free to play game so the Devs and publisher jave to make.money some how.

With that said I'm not a fan of the smooth of conversion. I tho k it should be 100-1 Not 40-1.

Free XP is basically worthless. A few games will get you the majority of research points needed and a minimal of free ones can be used to top it off, even while using a ship you don't like. I highly doubt there's a substantial amount of people using vast GP to get free XP, and I bet even less that would buy it to use for the conversion since GP is finite and the market prices make it way too precious to waste like that. I guess if you don't care about the market then you may make that GP rain but you're better off saving it for elite status.

100-1, 500-1, 1000-1 (no more than that), as long as I can get something.

free XP is worthless, yet you want more of it? You want something for free, that is the truth of the matter. It annoys you that you have all the XP sitting there and you can't get to it. How is GP finite? Do you even know what that word means? It's not a system where you can trade credits or XP for GP. You can buy GP at any point. It's there to buy.

Have you considered, that if people are not doing it, they would not have the option? I know of people who happily converted enough XP to free XP so they didn't have to play a ship they didn't like to get the one they did want. If someone dose it once, chances are they will do it again, if one person dose it, then there are going to be more that will too. I know people who spend thousands of dollars on mobile games every month. I know people who play Guild wars 2 who have bought every last thing in the in game shop. that's thousands of dollars again. There are people who will quite happily do it. because they can.

As I said you just sound like you want things for free, You see the game is free to play, so everything else should be free too. Or at least that's how you're coming off.


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Nov. 5, 2017, 5:46 a.m.



1) Free XP is worthless in the idea that you have to play the game anyway to earn some ship xp to convert and you earn a little bit every game. Unless I'm wrong, you can't just directly swap GP into it. So if you're going to play to earn ship xp anyway, why not use the ship that needs it?

Let's say you want the "Survival Instinct" perk from the Onager but hate playing it. It'll take ~80k xp to research it if I recall correctly. So your options are:

  • Play with it. Even with minimal effort you can earn an average of 2000 xp on Onslaught. 80/2 = 40 games
    If you're more than decent or have elite then you can cut that down like butter.

  • Use what free xp you have but that may not be enough, which brings you back to above ^

  • Convert xp: which is contingent upon a fully researched ship to use for conversion (which will cost either more ship or free xp to spend!), xp from those ships, and GP. Any of those can run out, which brings you back to above ^

Once again, you have to have some ship xp to use. So 10 games using the Onager = 20k xp, that's already the majority for the 1st module research. A conversion for another ship's 20k xp = 500 GP = $5 US. So if you were able to fully convert all the xp needed then that's $20 (the minimum purchase pack) just to fully research that 1 officer briefing. Using that GP on elite status instead would gain you significantly more than that in not only ship xp but some free xp earned after battles so in the end it's a poor trade off.

2) GP is finite, as in the players do not have an unlimited supply themselves. They can acquire more by buying and/or career progression, but they will always either run out, have an unusable amount, or just stagnate. Since it is not a continuously renewed source or income, it is finite.

3) You may have several rich friends that can burn through thousands of dollars at a whim, but that's not how the majority of the world works, especially when it comes to videogames. A one time $20 purchase is one thing, maybe a little more later, but most people have the ability to set a limit that's not even in the realm of that possibility. So now GP is a precious resource to them and not to be wasted frivolously. But the market is already split into elite status, cosmetics, and hero ships. Adding the mandatory fee for xp conversion is already in a losing position because it's a 1-time trade off unlike the others because they last longer (despite elite being only temporary the gains are immeasurably more than without it). You expect people to constantly be throwing money at the game just to flip xp when regular xp is easy to get? No way. If you are then I either envy your financial status, or I'm sorry that you are a fool. Get whatever period of elite status, play, earn xp, and save some bucks. And just because the option is there doesn't mean people like or want it. I highly doubt people are flocking to the $100 packs.

4) Yes, it pains me to see the points sit there unused, and I'm certainly not going to pay to convert them. Why? Because the xp system itself is not dependent on any purchases of any kind, unlike the other stuff for sale. I earned those points by playing, not through a credit card or trickery. So locking those points only behind an arbitrary paywall just because "it makes money" is flawed logic. In that case, why make the game free to begin with? They could charge up front for everything to make money. $ per ship, $$ per module, $$$ per officer briefing. Then there wouldn't have necessarily been an xp system to criticize. See, flawed logic.

5) Do I need the points? No, I'm getting by fine without them. But it would be better to see them used than not, and I don't see how my asking for a secondary option to convert xp without a fee and at a reduced exchange rate comes off as begging for everything to be free. I certainly didn't say anything close to that.

The game is F2P, and I have no problem admitting that I haven't spent a single penny on it. I've played many such games, and some I've contributed to, while the rest, not at all. This game is in beta, has some glaring problems, and I'm not sure of the future vision yet to determine what my money worth is, especially since I'm not pleased with the current prices of things. If that makes me a cheapskate that's fine with me.


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Nov. 5, 2017, 11:37 a.m.



My interpretation is simple: Game wants to make money via progression boosts, thus everything that helps you progress faster will be locked behind a paywall, and they will introduce arbitrary ways, like the free xp, to incentive this.

Now with this interpretation, I do not think they create a system to get your money and will then allow you to circumvent it.

At best we will see a better conversion ratio, but only if those with money do not spend a lot on it.


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Nov. 5, 2017, 9:08 p.m.



Jawayne#8001 posted (#post-167534)

At best we will see a better conversion ratio, but only if those with money do not spend a lot on it.

AMA Request: someone who's actually spent money on it then lol. It's such a hilariously bad value for dollar I'd be shocked if anyone did.


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Nov. 6, 2017, 11:34 a.m.



Daxten#3759 posted (#post-167677)

Jawayne#8001 posted (#post-167534)

At best we will see a better conversion ratio, but only if those with money do not spend a lot on it.

AMA Request: someone who's actually spent money on it then lol. It's such a hilariously bad value for dollar I'd be shocked if anyone did.

I know some people that probs used ~500 $ on that. But I won't tell names. =)


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Nov. 7, 2017, 11:10 a.m.



Jawayne#8001 posted (#post-167534)

I know some people that probs used ~500 $ on that. But I won't tell names. =)

Does their name rhyme with MartenFlex?


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