SkyRaider#3584 posted (#post-233815) said:
WaveRider#4219 posted (#post-233808) said:
SkyRaider#3584 posted (#post-233806) said:
I get your point but again, this game is designed to make Greybox money and theyre not going to release a game where they make none. Also, technically you dont have to pay to get all the game, it just takes longer. Thats what sets it apart from FtW.
Yeah, the grind sucks, I dont think people will disagree. But its a typical business model for games at this point. Again, as consumers we want things as quick and cheap as possible, but that doesnt always align with a provider making money. Never forget, as much as people may love this game, Greybox is in it for profits. Its just how it is.
Im not saying i agree with the business model or like it, and Ive voiced my opposition numerous times about the price of cosmetics and currency conversion. But at the same time, I cant totally fault Greybox for running the business side as thry do.
Also, just a friendly reminder, the devs dont handle the business side, they only handle the game itself.
Again, with a more invested player base you will get more people committing to the game and wanting to spend because it is worth their time and they feel invested.
Yes the grind sucks. Yes Greybox is in it for profits, yes they haven't done very well and yes people are still leaving because they aren't hooked - that is also how it is.
I don't think the business model is great either, I'm assuming the fact that they had to let people go is a result of this. I can fault Greybox because they haven't changed as far as I can see. If you can see things aren't going well and you continue to carry on the same way who else is to blame?
A friendly reminder, I'm only discussing the game I play and the experience I have playing the game. As you have stated the devs handle the game, so who else am I going to address when talking about the game or indeed talking about the video where the devs were explaining what they were doing?
I agree, get people hooked and they spend money, but they have to set things at a level that does make them profit. If they make the grind too easy, people wont pay for elite which is their biggest source of income. Players may be on the losing end, but it also boils down to players price points. Some see it worth it but others dont.
As far as getting people hooked. Well, the game is mostly balanced but the problem seems to lie more with newer players getting wrecked in veteran. I pushed through and got better, but a lot of people seem unwilling. As matchmaking is an issue Im not sure what besides fixing that can be done other than givingnstat boosts to T3, but that doesnt solve the problem of modules and OBs. Maybe have most OB be available at T3 insread of T4?
As for the friendly reminder (dont think you took offense but want to be sure) I was merely pointing out market prices arent set by the devs and they dont have control over that, so they cant be held accountable for those things. When it comes to gameplay, absolutely you address them.
Ahhh, but you just went against your own previous quotes:
I get your point but again, this game is designed to make Greybox money and theyre not going to release a game where they make none. Also, technically you dont have to pay to get all the game, it just takes longer. Thats what sets it apart from FtW.
If it is designed to make them money then they need people to believe they are getting their moneys worth. With such a slow grind I won't even consider spending my money. That will make things take longer, which means I won't spend money because I have no idea if I will bother to stay with something that seems a chore.
When I first started I was progressing well, thought 'this is great, may not be jumping leaps and bounds through this, but I could'.....I bought the Starter pack and advanced faster with elite. I also bought some Captain gear; my family even bought me the Leviathon....more elite time....Invested.
I then hit Tier III, even with the elite I had, the grind was ridiculous; when elite ran out I knew it would take longer. I then started to think 'God, the same thing over and over with no real progression' , so started to play other stuff. I didn't believe elite was worth it, I didn't think spending any more money on the game was worth it, as I believe now that I am more likely to leave then stay. Just how many more have already done the same.
Don't worry about the 'friendly reminder' bit, if I'm not sure how someone meant a comment to come across I always look at it being harmless. All I do is use the comment myself, that way the way they then reply to its use tells me all I need to know about how they meant it to come across. O7