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Theobald#3611 posted (#post-114590)


All games go downhill.


It's just repulsive to people that don't want to spend a dime on it, and those people are not paying the bills anyway. Simple facts.



You don't understand at all. Free to play games are living on money grabbed from players, but these games have something in common...they are not frustrating to play. I already paid for DN and if you would ask me last year, if I would give more money to them, i would say "just release it, no more wipes and I will".. Now I can tell you, I won't. Because I have no fun playing it.


My last experience with DN was like this:


I logged in, started to look for Veteran. (I have few tier 4 ships). Game started after almost 5 minutes, game crashed, I logged in once again after several minutes,


I paid maintenance, started new game, game loaded after several minutes, game was riddled with tier 2 in our team. It was horrible and we lost, everyone in our team was pretty much crying about MM. I paid maintenance and lost some credits.


I started new game. After several minutes, new game started and It was actually good one. We lost, however it was very close, very good game, I ended third in our team. After match I paid maintenance and I got something like 100 credits. It was really really stupid.


So I started new game, now it was with Recruit fleet. After few minutes, game started, our and opposing team was full of tier 3 - tier 4 ships. We lost and I was like at the bottom of the table, because I couldn't do a s**t against tier 3-4 dreadnought and healer blobs. It was boring AF. At least I earned almost 1300 credits smile (with Veteran bonus).


I started another Recruit game, game loaded, once again, teams riddled with high tier ships, opposing team has something like 5 tier 4 ships, we have 2. I alt+f4 from the game and never started it again.


As you can see, this is experience, many new players will be going through. And can tell you for sure, chance that players will be willing to pay some money for this game is close to zero.


Theobald#3611 posted (#post-114590)


All games go downhill.


It's just repulsive to people that don't want to spend a dime on it, and those people are not paying the bills anyway. Simple facts.



You don't understand at all. Free to play games are living on money grabbed from players, but these games have something in common...they are not frustrating to play. I already paid for DN and if you would ask me last year, if I would give more money to them, i would say "just release it, no more wipes and I will".. Now I can tell you, I won't. Because I have no fun playing it.


My last experience with DN was like this:


I logged in, started to look for Veteran. (I have few tier 4 ships). Game started after almost 5 minutes, game crashed, I logged in once again after several minutes,


I paid maintenance, started new game, game loaded after several minutes, game was riddled with tier 2 in our team. It was horrible and we lost, everyone in our team was pretty much crying about MM. I paid maintenance and lost some credits.


I started new game. After several minutes, new game started and It was actually good one. We lost, however it was very close, very good game, I ended third in our team. After match I paid maintenance and I got something like 100 credits. It was really really stupid.


So I started new game, now it was with Recruit fleet. After few minutes, game started, our and opposing team was full of tier 3 - tier 4 ships. We lost and I was like at the bottom of the table, because I couldn't do a s**t against tier 3-4 dreadnought and healer blobs. It was boring AF. At least I earned almost 1300 credits smile (with Veteran bonus).


I started another Recruit game, game loeaded, once again, teams riddled with high tier ships, opposing team has something like 5 tier 4 ships, we have 2. I alt+f4 from the game and never started it again.


As you can see, this is experience, many new players will be going through. And can tell you for sure, chance that players who will be willing to pay some money for this game is close to zero.


Theobald#3611 posted (#post-114590)


All games go downhill.


It's just repulsive to people that don't want to spend a dime on it, and those people are not paying the bills anyway. Simple facts.



You don't understand at all. Free to play games are living on money grabbed from players, but these games have something in common...they are not frustrating to play. I already paid for DN and if you would ask me last year, if I would give more money to them, i would say "just release it, no more wipes and I will".. Now I can tell you, I won't. Because I have no fun playing it.


My last experience with DN was like this:


I logged in, started to look for Veteran. (I have few tier 4 ships). Game started after almost 5 minutes, game crashed, I logged in once again after several minutes,


I paid maintenance, started new game, game loaded after several minutes, game was riddled with tier 2 in our team. It was horrible and we lost, everyone in our team was pretty much crying about MM. I paid maintenance and lost some credits.


I started new game. After several minutes, new game started and It was actually good one. We lost, however it was very close, very good game, I ended third in our team. After match I paid maintenance and I got something like 100 credits. It was really really stupid.


So I started new game, now it was with Recruit fleet. After few minutes, game started, our and opposing team was full of tier 3 - tier 4 ships. We lost and I was like at the bottom of the table, because I couldn't do a s**t against tier 3-4 dreadnought and healer blobs. It was boring AF. At least I earned almost 1300 credits smile (with Veteran bonus).


I started another Recruit game, game loeaded, once again, teams riddled with high tier ships, opposing team has something like 5 tier 4 ships, we have 2. I alt+f4 from the game and never started it again.


As you can see, this is experience, many new players will be going through. And can tell you for sure, players who will be willing to pay some money for this game is close to zero.


Theobald#3611 posted (#post-114590)


All games go downhill.


It's just repulsive to people that don't want to spend a dime on it, and those people are not paying the bills anyway. Simple facts.



You don't understand at all. Free to play games are living on money grabbed from players, but these games have something in common...they are not frustrating to play. I already paid for DN and if you would ask me last year, if I would give more money to them, i would say "just release it, no more wipes and I will".. Now I can tell you, I won't. Because I have no fun playing it.


My last experience with DN was like this:


I logged in, started to look for Veteran. (I have few tier 4 ships). Game started after almost 5 minutes, game crashed, I logged in once again after several minutes,


I paid maintenance, started new game, game loaded after several minutes, game was riddled with tier 2 in our team. It was horrible and we lost, everyone in our team was pretty much crying about MM. I paid maintenance and lost some credits.


I started new game. After several minutes, new game started and It was actually good one. We lost, however it was very close, very good game, I ended third in our team. After match I paid maintenance and I got something like 100 credits. It was really really stupid.


So I started new game, now it was with Recruit fleet. After few minutes, game started, our and opposing team was full of tier 3 - tier 4 ships. We lost and I was like at the bottom of the table, because I couldn't do a s**t against tier 3-4 dreadnought and healer blobs. It was boring AF. At least I earned almost 1300 credits smile (with Veteran bonus).


I started another Recruit game, game loeaded, once again, teams riddled with high tier ships, opposing team has something like 5 tier 4 ships, we have 2. I alt+f4 from the game and never started it again.


As you can see, this is experience, many new players will be going through. And can tell you for sure, players who will be willing to pay some money for this game is close to zero.

Well, I understand different people are working on different things, so map designers can't do much on balancing issues, however, I have to say, releasing this patch in current situation in complete silence about major issues in the game is puzzling and potentially harmful for the game. It is such a massive letdown and something, what could be major content update (new map) just fizzled into nothing in mind of many, i think.


Theobald#3611 posted (#post-114569)


Still acting like

1- you know anything about the real numbers of player retention and

2- player retention going down wasn't completely normal on this kind of game.


You can spend real money on this FREE GAME to gain ingame resources or elite time that gives you ingame resources.

And the game has to monetize somehow.

Deal with it.



people will my friend, game will go downhill. This is always the case in these scenarios. I don't want this game to die but it will, unless something change, it definitely will have swift death.


Jawayne#8001 posted (#post-114395)



ManiaCCC#0403 posted (#post-114390)


well Jawayne, if this is their stance, I think most people will say just bye bye to Dreadnought. Their design philosophy is just wrong.



The game is a freemium-game, you can play it without paying, but it will take a lot longer to progress and you may not be able to play legendary all the time. You can circumvent this however with their subscription they call "Elite-Status".


I think it is a nice compromise between a subscription based and a free-to-play game. Although I would have liked a more honest way of advertising this. But I am a fan of subs, so I might be the wrong to ask/can be seen as a fanboy.



There is just too much freemium games around for this concept to stick and be successful. You don't get it. I don't care much about grind, many people don't It is not the point, point is, you can't force people to pay for what they "need". People will pay for what they want. if you put something basic like progression in the game behind soft pay wall (even devs confirmed it), people wont pay bucks for xp exchange, they will quit. However, freemium model is awesome if you do it right..


what they really need is to make sure, player even after one or two games per day feel some sense of progression towards some goal..and no, ship XP is not that, if you don't have money to buy and enjoy new modules and ship. Lower rewards if needed but never ever punish players for bad matches. Honestly, I don't even understand why we have this discussion, this is so BASIC fundamental rule of game design especially in freemium games for years already. We were quite a big group of friends enjoying this game, now, noone is playing, everyone quit out of pure frustration, me included..and I paid for this game...


BTW: I have elite status, several tier 4 ships and basically every loss is 99% of time loss of credits. So I really really tried my best to understand and embrace this system. It doesn't work. And never will.

well Jawayne, if this is their stance, I think most people will say just bye bye to Dreadnought. Their design philosophy is just wrong.


BadAlchemy#4871 posted (#post-114339)


There is nothing wrong with the system, its you as a player.


Not being harsh but good play is rewarded appropriately with enough credits. If you cannot do well in a Veteran match then you as the player need more practice and to learn the game better before going back to Veteran matches.


An indication of good play is a score of 1200-2500 a match. If you don't average that you aren't doing well and are hindering your team.


I play exclusively in veteran and have yet to run out of credits for months, especially since they increased credit earning after all the complaints.



this is such a BS. Remember, it is never player.. If most players hate some aspect of the game, it is design flaw. Period.

Aren't credits awarded in same way like XP? Because in fact, for me, the best how to farm credits was just playing support and heal.