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SkyRaider#3584 posted (#post-279533) said:



slab_of_bacon#9340 posted (#post-279530) said:



SkyRaider#3584 posted (#post-279528) said:


You'd be telling your core/long time players are the time and money they spent on the game is now fot nothong because everyone is back to square one. Theyre investments would be wasted and in terms of elite status youre taking away the product they payed for. How can you not consider that harmful? Those players would likely bolt and numbers go down even further.



Which product are you referring to?


And do you mean to say that achievements are more important than gameplay? If the old alpha/beta population has to start again, big deal. People who like to play will continue to play. No sunk cost should interfere with that. This whole king of the mountain system with finely tuned builds can start fresh. At least this time more poeple will push for the heights.



Elite status. People paid for it to progress faster so if you do a wipe they will have paid for nothing in return. Sunk costs gets you somewhere, a wipe means you just threw money away. Same with all those hours of the grind; they would all mean nothing. So yes, it is a big deal if veteran players lost all they got.


Imagine if you worked for a company for years, got increases in wages, time off, benefits etc and then the company is struggling and goes "we're rolling everyone back to entry level positions because the newer employees sake." So now your wages, time off and benefits are back to where you started years earlier. Would that be no big deal? Thats pretty much a wipe does: everything they spent time and money on gets taken away. Again, I dont see how you think that isnt a problem.


Further, even with the same ships the experienced players are still going to win because of said experienced, so the whole point of your wipe doesnt even really help.



I view elite status as a game enhancement. I don't see how you calibrate it as a possession or a product. A good example is people spending money at the fair or casino for enjoyment. This game costs nothing to play so, yes tip the developers if you enjoy it. Also, experience with the tools to execute is far more powerful than just experience.


Enterprise_NC1701#2026 posted (#post-279529) said:


I worked my ašs off to get my precious Tier V Monarch heavy Dreadnought, even a broken Arm could not stop my Grind. And now you want my efforts to be for nothing? No one is going to touch my Spaghett!


(God, so often the word "my" in this reply, not good)



If you love something, you can let it go.


SkyRaider#3584 posted (#post-279528) said:


You'd be telling your core/long time players are the time and money they spent on the game is now fot nothong because everyone is back to square one. Theyre investments would be wasted and in terms of elite status youre taking away the product they payed for. How can you not consider that harmful? Those players would likely bolt and numbers go down even further.



Which product are you referring to?


And do you mean to say that achievements are more important than gameplay? If the old alpha/beta population has to start again, big deal. People who like to play will continue to play. No sunk cost should interfere with that. This whole king of the mountain system with finely tuned builds can start fresh. At least this time more poeple will push for the heights.

When starting your first match after loading the game or jumping into a match in progress, the player is not allowed to choose a ship and is given the first ship in their fleet for said games. Also, the game tends to reshuffle fleet order so there is not much you can do either than play the hand you're dealt or kamikaze the enemy in order to choose a ship.


Brother Belial#4215 posted (#post-279515) said:


people have spent money on elite to progress. You are asking to invalidate all the time and effort people have spent on the game so far, to pander to new players who are getting beaten by "veteran" players. I fail to see how that will save the game.


This game is not a mass appeal game. it was never going to be a hundreds of thousands of players game. it's a game that relies on builds and if you have the "wrong" build, you are just food for the other team. there are also the modules that people coming up don't know about, because they don't have a T3 equivalent. The problem is the power creep, and lack of understanding of how the game works dew to a poor tutorial. resetting everyone back to square one will not take away the game know how veteran players have.


Your idea is a delusional one. it will fix nothing, and probably do more harm than good, and just show players that all there time spent can be all for nothing for no real good reason.



Yes, invalidate time, effort, and money spent to let go of the current parasitic player base in order to gain a new one. This will show that they are willing to make sacrifices so that new players can feel like future time spent is valuable. The risk is low when you look at the current numbers. Calling it delusional, or harm is premature without seeing the actual results.


Brother Belial#4215 posted (#post-279505) said:



slab_of_bacon#9340 posted (#post-279502) said:



VirtualRiot#3785 posted (#post-279496) said:


If I was the devs, I would be focusing on keeping existing players interested.



Yeah, but we're not spending any money so that's not gonna work. Besides, it's us who are scaring off the newer players anyways. A clean wipe would be the best thing.



that would drive veteran players away, and also they would have to give back all the elite that people had before the wipe. Not that it would help player retention.



The choices are clear... retain the new players in the current format or keep fluffing those who are scaring those newer players off. Give back money spent in pursuit of leveling up? In my view, playing a game is in the moment. I don't see how the challenge of starting over disdains that moment. I don't see how anyone is oweyd anything when long term game fixes are implimented. There is no monetary value to our successes and those who know what to do will rise again. While I would like to continue with m progress, I know my enjoyment would not be hindered. Although I wouldn't mind a faster progression rate.

I don't got a Sony... does they got Steam on the Sony now? Because the sale is on Steam and unless Sony got the steam there ain't no sail on the Sony.


VirtualRiot#3785 posted (#post-279496) said:


If I was the devs, I would be focusing on keeping existing players interested.



Yeah, but we're not spending any money so that's not gonna work. Besides, it's us who are scaring off the newer players anyways. A clean wipe would be the best thing.

Nice bargain for some DLC on Steam this week. If you were on the fence about getting some, this is a nice opportunity.